Q: What about funding? Union funding? Foundation funding?
Law: I had my doubts that foundation funding would be a systematic solution to funding all journalism.
Law: I wonder how successful it would be to try and apply it to local news -- the foundation funding is often only for local news.
Clancy: If you're going to do public-service journalism, you better not have a partisan funder.
Clancy: I have a problem with foundation-funded journalism because of that.
Clancy: But collaboration? I've partnered with other media orgs. ABC (Australia), NBC, The Toronto Star.
Clancy: If we could see Google as a carrier... that would be interesting. It might settle who owns the internet
Clancy: I don't see Google as the company I would turn to for public-interest journalism.
Q: When the Journal/Sun newsrooms folded, people said it was awful. But were they subscribers?
Q: Re-- tooting our own horns. We're uncomfortable navel-gazing.
Clancy: So many local stories that people don't understand the impact of. We need to find those local stories that people should know led to change.
Law: Journalism Is campaign -- Unifor put up our money for creative. We asked for air time and ink. The companies that responded really well were Postmedia, TorStar, the Globe, Sun Media and TransCon.
Law: We almost completely struck out with the broadcasters.
Law: Some media owners felt great about it, others felt icky.
Neil: People pay attention to what's going on in their life. A friend's birthday is coming at them digitally in the same way as that story on the child welfare system.
Neil: A lot of the stories that are so important are grim and that's a challenge -- competing against cats.
Neil: Cats don't make you think about the thousands of children who were residential school survivors.
Q: It's not so much competing with cats -- it's people understanding the difference between journalism and the media.
Q: how do we get that message out there?
Clancy: We're a community service as important as the blood bank.
Q: What you should be made at Google and Facebook about is that local ads went to Google and Facebook instead of traditional media because they're better and they get results.
Q: It's hard to make that sale on guilt.
Q: If the funder will continue to be business, then you have to sell their stuff.
Smyth: People are becoming aware of what's not being done.
Clancy: The leg in Saskatchewan is now covered because someone gave a shit. Where's the petition to put more journalists back in the local newspaper?
And Carmel Smyth is wrapping up. Apologies for the awkward start -- Perils of being on the organizing committee and liveblogging.